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raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases distract from what the country needs to do. we need to deal with our runaway government spending. the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reform the government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> and i understand. you have been on this fight for a long time and you've been devoted to the whole idea of not seeing taxes increase anywhere. but what we're down to right now is largely a political battle over the increase in marginal tax rates based on what you earn. i understand there's a lot more to this puzzle, but on that front, because that's the one that gets most of the ink around here, whether people who earn more than $250,000 or $400,000 or $1 million should may-pay more tax. the point is that's not going to hurt the economy. that's all we're talking about. paying 4.6%, 8 points higher on your income over $250,000, empirically t
raised the capital gains tax, the top marginal tax rates, but also tax increases distract from what the country needs to do. we need to deal with our runaway government spending. the government is spending too much money. tax increases are not part of cutting the budget. tax increases are what politicians do instead of reform the government. as long as tax increases are on the table, the politicians never even think about reforming government. >> and i understand. you have been on this...
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because you have to add both the obama care tax that's coming and the tax, the disappearing bush tax increase and this hits primarily as you know, small business owners and people who file subchapter s corporations. >> that's not who is primarily hits, it hits some of those people. >> over half of all the small business income that ends up paying this higher rate, if you do it. and the last time we did this, more than two-thirds of the people who got hit, were actually the subchapter s corporation. i think it would have a very significant effect. the other effect it has is that we're not cutting spending because we're spending too much money. and that sends a very bad signal. if we're not going to do entitlement reform, because every time we talk about it obama says let's raise taxes instead. we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, in four years obama has done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing for four years. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people is what obama talks about instead of doing his j
because you have to add both the obama care tax that's coming and the tax, the disappearing bush tax increase and this hits primarily as you know, small business owners and people who file subchapter s corporations. >> that's not who is primarily hits, it hits some of those people. >> over half of all the small business income that ends up paying this higher rate, if you do it. and the last time we did this, more than two-thirds of the people who got hit, were actually the...
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energy is a tax on energy prices are a tax on everyone. they're a tax on households and businesses, we're going to see much more available cheaper energy and that will lower the burden on households and crucially as you pointed out, and this is where i think you're going to see a great knock-on effect, it makes manufacturing more viable in the u.s. so it's not just the jobs in the energy sector, it's the fact that all all of a sudden and especially natural gas, which is hard to transport, it starts to make sense to locate those factories where the energy is the other thing that i love about the energy story is as we've discussed a lot. one of my huge concerns about the u.s. economy is well-paying middle class jobs. and i think that you know, we can't neglect the economic reality that we are seeing the hollowing out of those jobs, huge downward pressure on wages. and the energy sector, that's not happening so much. in the actual production of natural resources, you can't outsource those jobs, so those are good jobs. >> can i give you an exa
energy is a tax on energy prices are a tax on everyone. they're a tax on households and businesses, we're going to see much more available cheaper energy and that will lower the burden on households and crucially as you pointed out, and this is where i think you're going to see a great knock-on effect, it makes manufacturing more viable in the u.s. so it's not just the jobs in the energy sector, it's the fact that all all of a sudden and especially natural gas, which is hard to transport, it...
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about whether to raise taxes, tax rates on anybody. you're going to begin to see this conversation as the conversation moves forward. the rifts in the democratic party about what programs should be cut and what programs should be saved. and i think that's a little of what you're seeing now. i don't know if it's enough to sort of throw the whole deal out. i think only those folks -- you did hear the folks, senator mcconnell saying i've called my friend joe biden, can he get to the president. it's clear that the democrats are saying that the president is the one who won't -- you know, who doesn't want to put up a counteroffer. so we'll see. >> changes by the hour. >> candy crowley, thank you as always, we'll be in touch. >> all eyes continue to be in washington as the cliff gets closer, the president insists 0 a tax hike for the rich. but the republicans won't budge. something has got to give. a.b. stoddard weighs in. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and
about whether to raise taxes, tax rates on anybody. you're going to begin to see this conversation as the conversation moves forward. the rifts in the democratic party about what programs should be cut and what programs should be saved. and i think that's a little of what you're seeing now. i don't know if it's enough to sort of throw the whole deal out. i think only those folks -- you did hear the folks, senator mcconnell saying i've called my friend joe biden, can he get to the president....
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but the danger for them is that these stopped being the bush tax cuts and become the obama tax cuts, right? i think that's what conservatives and republicans should be most worried about from a long-term political perspective right now. i mean, in a sense, they have sort of -- they have won a particular policy battle in the sense that most of the bush tax cuts, both parties believe should be extended. right? we're talking about 97%, 98% of the bush tax cuts. you could say that's a policy win for republicans, but if those tax cuts ended up getting branded as obaobama's tax cuts t he passed after we went over the fiscal cliff, it then loses whatever upside there was for republicans, except, and we have to mention this, for republicans vulnerable to primary challenges, there's obviously a lot of anxiety about being, you know, the first republican in 20 years to vote for a tax increase. i think that's the big fear, that it's been so long. republicans haven't cast this kind of vote. you don't want to be the first one to do it. >> yeah, and charles, we're told the democrats may be waiting
but the danger for them is that these stopped being the bush tax cuts and become the obama tax cuts, right? i think that's what conservatives and republicans should be most worried about from a long-term political perspective right now. i mean, in a sense, they have sort of -- they have won a particular policy battle in the sense that most of the bush tax cuts, both parties believe should be extended. right? we're talking about 97%, 98% of the bush tax cuts. you could say that's a policy win...
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but perhaps, democrats think if they can add an extension of the estate tax cut or put tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that's going to go on behind the scenes between democrats and one by one republican after republican. what do you need in order to come to the table. >> the senate democrats saying they think it's best to wait until the very last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy i'm sure. the reason is because they know the reality. and they have seen it time and time again, congress acts when they are up against a deadline and not before. we are close to it. but it won't be until they are facing the cliff and teetering off the edge that the republicans will say fine, uncle, i'll go for this even though i don't think it's the right thing. but i've got to tell you, randi, still for the most part, democrat and. >> rob: sources do think that the most likely scenario is going off the cliff, and the reason is because, again, this is not going to make voters or viewers happy, is because poli
but perhaps, democrats think if they can add an extension of the estate tax cut or put tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that's going to go on behind the scenes between democrats and one by one republican after republican. what do you need in order to come to the table. >> the senate democrats saying they think it's best to wait until the very last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy i'm...
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that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time lawmakers got a pay raise was in 2009. >>> this morning, i want to tell you about the fact that we know the name of a man pushed to his death at a new york city subway station now. he's identified as 46-year-old dusend. a sketch of the suspect. she's described as a heavy set woman in her 20s who was wearing a ski jacket and sneakers. poppy harlow has more on the investigation for us. >> it was horrible. >> reporter: this man says he heard the final scream of the victim. james callanan's train was halted. >> they said last stop on the train, debris fell on the tracks. >> reporter: witnesses say the victim was standing on the edge of this subway platform in queens when a woman who was pacing and talking to herself pushed him on the tracks. surveillance footage captured this woman running from the station. police are searching for the woman they describe as heavy set in her 20s wea
that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time lawmakers got a pay raise was in 2009. >>> this morning, i want to tell you about the fact that we know the name of a man pushed to his death at a new york city subway station now. he's identified as 46-year-old dusend. a sketch of the suspect. she's described as a heavy set woman in her 20s who was wearing a ski jacket and sneakers. poppy...
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we are talking about every american's tax rates who pays taxes, talking about the extension of unemployment, the estate tax this has more elements in it than most things do i think at the end of the day, you know, in the senate now, i think the senate will come to some sort of arrangement, they will push it over here and then i think the house will be the decisive arena, a lot will depend, obviously, on what the senate agrees to >> isn't that the question what will happen in the house? i don't think we have a concern, maybe i shouldn't stay quite that way, the house seems to be the clear focus on whether or not republicans can muster the votes needed. what is going to happen? >> a lot depends on the nature of the agree weren't, remember on the speakers a plan b, he had over 200 republican votes are, it is not as if he doesn't have an awfully strong hand to play. if it's a deal that john boehner can accept, then frankly, i think it will be passed in a bipartisan manner with a very strong majority. if, on the other hand, he is either neutral or not favorable, then his chances are going to be
we are talking about every american's tax rates who pays taxes, talking about the extension of unemployment, the estate tax this has more elements in it than most things do i think at the end of the day, you know, in the senate now, i think the senate will come to some sort of arrangement, they will push it over here and then i think the house will be the decisive arena, a lot will depend, obviously, on what the senate agrees to >> isn't that the question what will happen in the house? i...
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this law excuses homeowners from paying that tax. this law is expiring in a few days as part of the fiscal cliff. if congress does nothing, homeowners selling at a loss will have a big tax bill to deal with. it could be in the tens of thousands of dollars. it it comes at a time when they can least afford it. >> how are the markets doing today with all the news about the fiscal cliff and going over it being a possibility? >> markets are selling off just a bit. the dow is down 75 points. with rumors of congress coming back into session over the weekend, we did see the markets turn around a bit yesterday. now the selloff continues. there's just not a lot of confidence that a deal can get done. the reason you're seeing the dow down 76 points. >> all right, alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. thank you. >>> chicago reached a dubious milestone overnight. a shooting victim on the west side became the city's 500th homicide of the year. police say the 40-year-old man was shot in the head outside a convenience store. no arrests were m
this law excuses homeowners from paying that tax. this law is expiring in a few days as part of the fiscal cliff. if congress does nothing, homeowners selling at a loss will have a big tax bill to deal with. it could be in the tens of thousands of dollars. it it comes at a time when they can least afford it. >> how are the markets doing today with all the news about the fiscal cliff and going over it being a possibility? >> markets are selling off just a bit. the dow is down 75...
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that's an extra $900 before taxes. currently members of congress make $174,000 a year except for leaders who make a little more. the last time there was a pay raise was 2009. >>> there is one thing the senate has agreed on, getting aid to victims of superstorm sandy. by a 61-33 vote the chamber passed a measure offering $60 billion in help. it heads to the house which must approve the bill by thursday or else the process to consider the money has to start all over again. at least 113 people were killed when superstorm sandy hit in late october. the governors of new york and new jersey, the hardest hit states, have estimated damages at more than $78 billion. >>> and turning to weather. even though winter is just over a week old, millions of americans probably can't wait for spring to arrive. me, as well, yes. scenes like this in maine are playing out all across the country as snow is now on the ground in almost 65% of the lower 48 states. at least everybody's enjoying it together. look at this video from arkansas where
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>> i think raising the capital gains tax, raising the dividend tax, raising the estate tax, raising taxes on small businesses, is a disaster for the economy, it's too fragile. >> that's not true at all. all the research shows that actually the economic activity is not that sensitive to tax rates at the top of the income distribution -- >> that's not true, it's the opposite. >> i'm sorry -- >>> the economy's highly sensitive, that's why countries have been cutting tax rateth. >> we grew faster when we had higher tax rates. >> let's just do it another reality check on this. which is that, whether we go over the cliff or have a scaled-down deal, we've got two things looming, a debt ceiling in probably two months which republicans will no doubt use as leverage. we still don't have a grand bargain that deals with deficit and debt by taking on tax reform and entitlement reform. what rational reason, stephen, first you, should we have that that other kick the can to another situation we're about to go off a cliff would produce any different result from a new congress? >> i'm not sure it will. jo
>> i think raising the capital gains tax, raising the dividend tax, raising the estate tax, raising taxes on small businesses, is a disaster for the economy, it's too fragile. >> that's not true at all. all the research shows that actually the economic activity is not that sensitive to tax rates at the top of the income distribution -- >> that's not true, it's the opposite. >> i'm sorry -- >>> the economy's highly sensitive, that's why countries have been...
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to pay more taxes. i don't think they're eager to pay more taxes for one important reason, they just don't think the money is going to get used well. people just do not trust washington to spend their money effectively and i think if they had greater trust in washington, there would not be so much resistance to this, so the irony of this, don, is that this spectacle that we're seeing right now in washington is contributing to the problem and people see this, they're even more reluctant to pay taxes or to put up with the tax hike. so it is almost like it is a self-perpetuating problem. >> rick newman, thank you, sir. >> sure thing, don. >>> in other news, he's remembered as a liberator, not a conqueror. tributes pouring in for general norman schwarzkopf. he died yesterday in tampa, florida. he became a household name in the '90s when he led coalition forces in first gulf war. he once told larry king he hated war. president obama called schwarzkopf's death the loss of an american original. norman schwarzk
to pay more taxes. i don't think they're eager to pay more taxes for one important reason, they just don't think the money is going to get used well. people just do not trust washington to spend their money effectively and i think if they had greater trust in washington, there would not be so much resistance to this, so the irony of this, don, is that this spectacle that we're seeing right now in washington is contributing to the problem and people see this, they're even more reluctant to pay...
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cut, increases in other taxes on families like the alternative minimum tax and the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, there's this to think of, for 2 million unemployed worker, the loss of unemployment benefits. we have asked experts to join us for a fiscal cliff roundtable discussion, if you will. ron brownstein is a senior -- cnn senior political analyst and editorial director of the national journal and stephen moore, senior economics writer at the "wall street journal" and is in washington, d.c. first up, ron, will, do you think, these politicians reach a deal or not and why or why not? >> the fiscal cliff was yeelted as a doomsday machine to try to give them more will power to do what they can't do on their own, to reach a deal. the reason all of this was here, incentive to reach a deal, some of your guests pointed out during the day, a lot can go wrong when you leave is it to this late, a little little surprising to me republicans don't feel urgency, talk about this in a minute, maybe, the wolf on the other side of the cliff, difficult for both sides, the country is worse f
cut, increases in other taxes on families like the alternative minimum tax and the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, there's this to think of, for 2 million unemployed worker, the loss of unemployment benefits. we have asked experts to join us for a fiscal cliff roundtable discussion, if you will. ron brownstein is a senior -- cnn senior political analyst and editorial director of the national journal and stephen moore, senior economics writer at the "wall street journal" and is...
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. >> that's with the $250,000 and under keeping their tax rate. everybody else gets a tax hike? >> i live in an alternate reality. the grew of age in politics in the clinton administration and watched pelosi and harry reid vote for tax increases under bill clinton that are the taxes we would go back to if we do nothing. at the same time, i watched nancy pelosi lead the charge against the bush tax cuts that ultimately now they want to keep 98% of. the truth is if we go over the cliff on a tax basis, we're only going back to the clinton era taxes. if we don't change spending, we're going to stay over the cliff. even if we go back to the clinton tax rates, the clinton tax rates, which is what the cliff is described as, you still have nearly half a trillion dollars a year, $5 trillion over ten years worth of deficit. that's because while we grew the -- under bush the taxes revenue went up 25%, and spending went up 100% in the last 12 years. if you put back the revenue from the higher taxes, you still have a deficit. that's what we're trying to change. >> we kind of are where we are,
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rate should be as well as on taxes on small business as well as the death tax. they are very divided on this issue. >> the estate tax. yeah. so let me have you answer that. i have another subject i want to bring up. do you think there will be a deal and that most taxes will not go up? >> we're not there yet, but i'm hoping in a bipartisan way we can get something done before new year's day. >> okay. let me -- i wanted to play you something else, because you were an immigration lawyer before you came in, continues to be something you're interested in. and the president was talking about priorities for this year and here's what he had to say. >> i've said that fixing our broken immigration system is a top priority. i will introduce legislation in the first year to get that done. i think we have talked about it long enough, we know how we can fix it, we can do it in a grow hensive way that the american -- comprehensive way the american people support, that's something we should get done. >> sounds like it could be a done deal. talked enough about it. >> i think he
rate should be as well as on taxes on small business as well as the death tax. they are very divided on this issue. >> the estate tax. yeah. so let me have you answer that. i have another subject i want to bring up. do you think there will be a deal and that most taxes will not go up? >> we're not there yet, but i'm hoping in a bipartisan way we can get something done before new year's day. >> okay. let me -- i wanted to play you something else, because you were an immigration...
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republicans can do tax reform more straight forwardly and the president can do his own version of tax policy and spending policy but that would have to be done quickly. >> peter, you write that you want the discussion, the deal to be tax hikes and entitlement reform. do you want it to be more comprehensive than that or are those the two key elements? >> at this point, those are the two key elements. one is necessary for resolving the fiscal cliff. the other is necessary for getting a significant debt limit increase. we need to do both. i agree, we'll have a deal by mid to late january by the latest. the risk in all of that is, it's going to be kind of a half-hearted deal. there's an opportunity here to do a much bigger, much more ambitious deal and that is what i think we should be seeking. >> that deal would be tax reform plus entitlement reform or how important do you think this whole idea of comprehensive tax reform is? >> i think comprehensive tax reform is desirable and easier to say and hard to do. in the meanwhile, useful from my perspective to lock in some additional revenue t
republicans can do tax reform more straight forwardly and the president can do his own version of tax policy and spending policy but that would have to be done quickly. >> peter, you write that you want the discussion, the deal to be tax hikes and entitlement reform. do you want it to be more comprehensive than that or are those the two key elements? >> at this point, those are the two key elements. one is necessary for resolving the fiscal cliff. the other is necessary for getting...
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he's all about taxes. he has this mandate on taxes. the spending cuts, the need to get us out of this mess, he hasn't been serious about those, and then that's unfortunate. so, you know, i think where mick and i may be part company is this needs the big deal. i'm okay to say, president, you won. you can tax these rich people you seem to dislike so much, but, you know what? come up with spending cuts. we're borrowing a trillion dollars a year, and he's not. >> i want to show you one of the latest cnn/orc polls, and the question was which party should compromise more? 53% thought the republicans should compromise more, and 41% said the democrats. so it's not just the president won. you've seen poll after poll. they blame republicans if their taxes go up. do you really -- you don't want anyone's taxes to go up, and yet, you are admitting here, saying i think everybody's taxes are going up. >> i don't think it's a question of who should compromise more. in order to get to a compromise both sides have to give on something they don't want, b
he's all about taxes. he has this mandate on taxes. the spending cuts, the need to get us out of this mess, he hasn't been serious about those, and then that's unfortunate. so, you know, i think where mick and i may be part company is this needs the big deal. i'm okay to say, president, you won. you can tax these rich people you seem to dislike so much, but, you know what? come up with spending cuts. we're borrowing a trillion dollars a year, and he's not. >> i want to show you one of the...
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going to revert back to the 2000 tax schedule you so the top tax rate will bounce up to 39.6%. then you look at the dividend tax rate. right now, it's at 15% it can jump as high as 43%. capital gains taxes from 15% up to 20%. so, you could see that the implications, the negative implications just to wall street but also to those individuals that you are living on a fixed income. so this impacts all americans, not just the wealthy americans. this goes top and bottom to everybody involved. >> and what about the payroll tax holiday? if that expires what does that mean for our paychecks come january? >> well, the very first paycheck, cnn viewers want to know this, the very first paycheck they will receive in 2013 will be reduced by 2%. now that may seem like a nominal figure right at the start, but as long as you continue this throughout deep into 2013, you're looking at real numbers here. i mean, somebody that is making $50,000, like steven said, they are looking at anywhere between 2 and $3,000 extra in extra tax. so that payroll tax holiday is critical and these the immediate im
going to revert back to the 2000 tax schedule you so the top tax rate will bounce up to 39.6%. then you look at the dividend tax rate. right now, it's at 15% it can jump as high as 43%. capital gains taxes from 15% up to 20%. so, you could see that the implications, the negative implications just to wall street but also to those individuals that you are living on a fixed income. so this impacts all americans, not just the wealthy americans. this goes top and bottom to everybody involved....
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the headline, you know, item is tax estimates. tax revenues and where tax rates will increase. what's the threshold. democrats have been saying that they would like tax increases to affect households that make $250,000 and more. they would also insist on extending unemployment benefits. they would like to see -- the president would like a delay in those automatic spending cuts, those massive spending cuts that congress set into motion that should hit beginning in the new year. and then also an increase in the estate tax, which is also planned to hit in the new year. republicans would like, in order to be able to vote for some sort of deal, to limit that threshold and where -- a limit the threshold where the tax increase hits so maybe instead of $250,000 maybe $400,000, a way to avoid that estate tax increase, they would like no delay in those spending cuts, so that they will start to hit in the new year. and they would like democrats to agree to pay for the unemployment benefits. now we don't know if -- which of these items would be in the deal they're working out today, except
the headline, you know, item is tax estimates. tax revenues and where tax rates will increase. what's the threshold. democrats have been saying that they would like tax increases to affect households that make $250,000 and more. they would also insist on extending unemployment benefits. they would like to see -- the president would like a delay in those automatic spending cuts, those massive spending cuts that congress set into motion that should hit beginning in the new year. and then also an...
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the tax policy center has a tax calculator. so it allows you to estimate how your family could be affected. josh levs is here in atlanta breaking down the different scenarios. the only thing you can't say is i'm going to start a drinking game. don't say kick the can down the road. jifs not going to use that phrase. i have been covering this at cnn.com and doing everything i can to avoid saying things like that. the figure a lot of people know if you know any figure is $2,000 because president obama says it a lot. the average family will end up spending $2,000 more if the fiscal cliff is not averted. let me show you something. you can find out how it would impact you directly by using this. there's a lot of numbers you have to plug in to make sense of it. obviously it can't be exact, it can't be precise, it can't predict the future, but i want to show you some examples we have pulled out. let's go to the graphic here that has a few of the examples we're showing you here. it would take, for example, this scenario, married with no
the tax policy center has a tax calculator. so it allows you to estimate how your family could be affected. josh levs is here in atlanta breaking down the different scenarios. the only thing you can't say is i'm going to start a drinking game. don't say kick the can down the road. jifs not going to use that phrase. i have been covering this at cnn.com and doing everything i can to avoid saying things like that. the figure a lot of people know if you know any figure is $2,000 because president...
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brian, no one wants their taxes to go up. we know come tuesday, everyone who gets a paycheck will get less money in it unless a deal is reached. i know you've been talking to people and getting the pulse of the country, what are they saying to you? >> you know, martin, you're right, gallup did a recent poll taking a look at this. let's take a look. the recent poll shows that 68% of americans are saying lawmakers are should compromise in order to reach this fiscal cliff solution. only 22% think those lawmakers need to stick to their guns and not budge. either on tax increases or spending cuts. >> so we know that gridlock has been a big problem and we're seeing more, it appears on this issue. in the end could this result in who has the upper hand in public support? >> that's the game they're playing, is it the republicans to blame or the democrats? president obama has seen an increase in his numbers as they've been going through this. as you saw with dana bash, they're at a standstill, who knows what they're going to do. we ask
brian, no one wants their taxes to go up. we know come tuesday, everyone who gets a paycheck will get less money in it unless a deal is reached. i know you've been talking to people and getting the pulse of the country, what are they saying to you? >> you know, martin, you're right, gallup did a recent poll taking a look at this. let's take a look. the recent poll shows that 68% of americans are saying lawmakers are should compromise in order to reach this fiscal cliff solution. only 22%...
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and don't forget, the payroll tax goes up, too. >> so taking out for social security taxes -- no one is talking about it. that says to me, those are going back up anyway. those are about a thousand in cost -- so let me ask you, there is the actual what will happen on january first? and it doesn't sound like people will have to worry about their taxes, most people. but what about the psychological impact? haven't we already seen it in christmas buying? haven't we already seen it in hiring? wouldn't we continue to see it -- you know, won't consumer confidence take a hit? won't businesses still say i don't know, i don't know what is happening. >> already has, candy, you have seen it in this year's christmas shopping season was lackluster, at best. i talk to businesses who say we're not hiring right now. we're just cancelling a lot of the plans to make new expenditures expenditures expenditure, this is not a good way to run a railroad. and the economy has already taken a hit because of all of this turmoil in washington. and as i said, i think you know look, i'm a republican. but i think
and don't forget, the payroll tax goes up, too. >> so taking out for social security taxes -- no one is talking about it. that says to me, those are going back up anyway. those are about a thousand in cost -- so let me ask you, there is the actual what will happen on january first? and it doesn't sound like people will have to worry about their taxes, most people. but what about the psychological impact? haven't we already seen it in christmas buying? haven't we already seen it in hiring?...
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but perhaps democrats think if they add an extension of the estate tax cut or other tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that will go on behind the scenes between democrats and maybe one by one republican after republican, what do you need in order to come to the table? >> senate democrats say the best chance of passing the bill is to wait until the last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy i'm sure. the reason is they know the reality and the reality is -- and we have seen it time and time again. congress acts when they are up against a deadline and really not before. we're pretty close to the deadline but it won't be until they are literally facing the cliff, teetering off the edge of the cliff that many republicans will say uncle, i will go for this, even though i don't think it is the right thing. for the most part democratic and republican sources think the most likely scenario is going off the cliff. the reason is this is not going to make voters or viewers happy, because politically it i
but perhaps democrats think if they add an extension of the estate tax cut or other tax extenders in there they can lure some republicans. but that is part of the negotiation that will go on behind the scenes between democrats and maybe one by one republican after republican, what do you need in order to come to the table? >> senate democrats say the best chance of passing the bill is to wait until the last minute. why is that? >> this is going to make voters and viewers so happy...
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did anybody think about the ramifications like these tax cuts, these tax cuts and all this spending going on? >> well, i think that the question is, you know, how do we pay for the tax cuts. and i think there are reasonable ways to do so. it just seems that our friends on capitol hill on both sides of the aisle have a difficulty in, you know, making necessary -- making necessary spending reductions to enable progrowth policies to persist. and that's an unfortunate thing. yeah, look, this was -- i heard a previous guest say this was a deal with the devil because it, you know, because it -- you got tax cuts now for ten years and a date certain for when they would go away. that's true, but we thought we were dealing with adult policy makers in washington and we thought that people would do the right thing with respect to fiscal policy. look, we wouldn't be in this circumstance, you know, president obama actually extended these tax cuts with the intent that washington would take a more reasonable look at how we can phase in fiscal policy in a way that wouldn't do damage to the overall economy
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five days away from the tax hike. as you probably know, the president pulled the plug on his holiday trip to hawaii and arrived back in washington after 11:00 this morning in hopes of locking in taxes as they are right now for all but the wealgyest 2 percewealgy e wealthiest 2%. the house is telling us no, that is not the case. i got jessica yellen standing by and we have dana barb who is standing by and they are there on capitol hill. what is the mix up between sending a plan and not sending a plan by the president? >> hi, john. the bottom line is both sides want to take action and before senat senator mcconnell decides whether to filibuster the measure and whether the other republicans in the party will filibuster, they have to see the details in the proposal. will there be an estate tax provision? how will unemployment which is expected to be extended? will it be paid for? what spending measures will be in this and spending cuts, etc. there will be more details spelled out and where will that come from? will it com
five days away from the tax hike. as you probably know, the president pulled the plug on his holiday trip to hawaii and arrived back in washington after 11:00 this morning in hopes of locking in taxes as they are right now for all but the wealgyest 2 percewealgy e wealthiest 2%. the house is telling us no, that is not the case. i got jessica yellen standing by and we have dana barb who is standing by and they are there on capitol hill. what is the mix up between sending a plan and not sending a...
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the cliff won't just stop at taxes. some fear banks will tighten up on consumer lending, meaning you might not be able to get the new loan for a car or a home. with me now is sheila bair, the former chairman of the fdic and author of the new book "take the bullhe horns." thanks for coming on with me. >> thanks for having me. >> president obama met with top party leaders friday saying he was moderately optimistic. with your washington negotiation experience, where do you really think they are in the process? are you really any closer to a deal, or is this just more posturing? >> i think this whole mess is really embarrassing spectacle. this should have been resolved long ago, and i do think, actually, they are going to get a deal, but i think it will be more along the lines of kicking the can down the road. i don't think, at least from this point what i'm hearing, we'll get meaningful debt reduction. certainly mot month-onot meaninx reform. perhaps a permanent restructure of the tax reforms those making under $150,000. t
the cliff won't just stop at taxes. some fear banks will tighten up on consumer lending, meaning you might not be able to get the new loan for a car or a home. with me now is sheila bair, the former chairman of the fdic and author of the new book "take the bullhe horns." thanks for coming on with me. >> thanks for having me. >> president obama met with top party leaders friday saying he was moderately optimistic. with your washington negotiation experience, where do you...
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tax group that i run, we want to continue the tax -- lower tax rates for all americans. we want to go to the tax reform that's in the paul ryan budget. the house of representatives has already pass ed twice the ryan budget, which reforms taxes for all americans, takes the top rate to 25%, which is what the europeans do for the business community. we want to go there. how do you get there? i'm not sure that defeating plan b strengthens our ability to get there. i think, in fact, that plan b was a good step in the right direction towards protecting and continuing the tax cuts for everybody. >> and do you think that republicans sort of shot themselves in the foot because they defeated this. at the end of the day, the votes might be there for tax increases that from the republican perspective, are even worse than what the speaker offered that they wouldn't let him even bring up for a vote. >> as i read the speaker's proposal, plan b, i thought it moved us in the direction of maintaining all the bush tax cu cuts. look, this is not a fight that begins and ends the first week o
tax group that i run, we want to continue the tax -- lower tax rates for all americans. we want to go to the tax reform that's in the paul ryan budget. the house of representatives has already pass ed twice the ryan budget, which reforms taxes for all americans, takes the top rate to 25%, which is what the europeans do for the business community. we want to go there. how do you get there? i'm not sure that defeating plan b strengthens our ability to get there. i think, in fact, that plan b was...
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we need to not just raise taxes. if we give the president every tax increase that he wants. we need to address the spending. >> and the president has addressed that. no one is saying that there should be no spending cuts. >> ultimately. we have to find a bring here to get across. what are the ways we can agree on that will help us through that. i would would brry if we get do our fox holes and shoot across at each other. you know our international reputation is going to suffer. every other country in the world and watching this is going to say is america prepared to leave? >> you can't trust these guys, they are not up to it. >> if the nation slides into a resocial. i think the republicans will pay the biggest price in the beginning. the president so far has the fact is the republicans have been losing the message war on that. for its own sake it need to listen to the right of center not the nar right. right now, it has to act as if look, the country's needs come first. what do we need to do some protect the country's welfare. we thought it would come with the event of the e
we need to not just raise taxes. if we give the president every tax increase that he wants. we need to address the spending. >> and the president has addressed that. no one is saying that there should be no spending cuts. >> ultimately. we have to find a bring here to get across. what are the ways we can agree on that will help us through that. i would would brry if we get do our fox holes and shoot across at each other. you know our international reputation is going to suffer....
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president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. >>> but in a last minnesota minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front, and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would exp
president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories from raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and...
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technically taxes increase on january 1st. but if you were looking at your paycheck and trying to figure out am i going to be seeing this here just a matter of a couple weeks, no, actually. we wouldn't expect that you would be seeing your taxes in your paycheck being pulled until late january, early february, and that's because payroll processors will revert to that 2012 equation that they use for your taxes in your paycheck until they're sure there's certainty. because even if we were to go over the cliff, there's still a possibility it can still be fixed in the immediate time after that. >> so not an immediate cliff it sounds like. so house speaker john boehner was dealt hugely -- or what seems to be a hugely embarrassing blow when his own party refused to vote on his plan b proposal. where do republicans go from here? >> right now they are home in their home districts for christmas and will be watching a lot of the action i guess you could almost say from their couches. normally in a situation like this you would want to ha
technically taxes increase on january 1st. but if you were looking at your paycheck and trying to figure out am i going to be seeing this here just a matter of a couple weeks, no, actually. we wouldn't expect that you would be seeing your taxes in your paycheck being pulled until late january, early february, and that's because payroll processors will revert to that 2012 equation that they use for your taxes in your paycheck until they're sure there's certainty. because even if we were to go...
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founders stock, he says, should be taxed at ordinary income tax rates and he says it's time to touch entitlements. he believes there should be means testing that cuts off the megarich from government health programs from medicare and even though it may be unpopular, he says you have to reform social security. >> they say a child born today can live to 100. you, if you just follow the averages, your lifespan has increased in the last decade a couple of years. so, i think you've got to raise that age for people, let's say, that are under 50. >> reporter: the one area he is adamant should not be touched is charitable deductions that encourage the wealthy to give. he is not alone. the richest of the rich, they are the ones who also give the most. we know if you take the large part, $300 billion given away last year, including corporate giving, roughly two-thirds of that was give bine individuals. roughly half of that was given by the top 3%. >> charitable institutions. >> reporter: earl mack says washington should debate, negotiate, compromise, but by december 31st they need to get a dea
founders stock, he says, should be taxed at ordinary income tax rates and he says it's time to touch entitlements. he believes there should be means testing that cuts off the megarich from government health programs from medicare and even though it may be unpopular, he says you have to reform social security. >> they say a child born today can live to 100. you, if you just follow the averages, your lifespan has increased in the last decade a couple of years. so, i think you've got to...
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all the bush tax cuts, all of them will expire with taxes going up an average of $1600 per household. the payroll tax holiday also expires. that means the tax burden will go up an average $z700 per household extra. extended unemployment benefits expire so collection shrinks from 93 weeks to 26 weeks. the medicare doc fix expires, that means a 27% cut in physician payments. the alternative minimum tax expands to 27 million more americans and obama care taxes hit, meaning a 0.9% jump in the medicare payroll tax for those earning $200,000 or more. but what about the house of representatives? they left town after republicans failed to bring a vote on their own plan b last week. ohio republican congressman steve latourette seems kpas rat -- kpas rated about all of this. you're on your way out and you repudiated the norquist pledge which you signed back in 1994. tell me why? >> well, i repudiated it because, listen, it's not 1994 anymore. the world has moved on. we have the euro, we've had september 11th, a lot of things have happened. and quite frankly, this calls for a big solution. it ca
all the bush tax cuts, all of them will expire with taxes going up an average of $1600 per household. the payroll tax holiday also expires. that means the tax burden will go up an average $z700 per household extra. extended unemployment benefits expire so collection shrinks from 93 weeks to 26 weeks. the medicare doc fix expires, that means a 27% cut in physician payments. the alternative minimum tax expands to 27 million more americans and obama care taxes hit, meaning a 0.9% jump in the...
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you look at say they raise tax rates, the top tax rate to 39.6% for those making more than $500,000, that's going to mean a lot of small businesses are going to pay that nearly 40% marginal tax rate where you have billionaire private equity funds paying 15, 20 or even 24 depending on where they put it. not an issue of penalizing investment income but penalizing labor and those who make their income through wages and they should both be taxed at the same rate. i do, again, fundam and at least raising the capital gains rate would help address this anomaly and susan collins and clara mccasical give legitimate -- you have billionaire equity managers paying 39%. i think this is a source of unfairness and inefficient and we should be taxing all income at the same rate. >> a fiscal cliff compromise likely won't happen without those special interests in having their say and their sway with these negotiations. i mean, how much do these lobbying groups really wind up turning the negotiations in a certain way to really make things sort of end up where we just started? >> again, capital gains an
you look at say they raise tax rates, the top tax rate to 39.6% for those making more than $500,000, that's going to mean a lot of small businesses are going to pay that nearly 40% marginal tax rate where you have billionaire private equity funds paying 15, 20 or even 24 depending on where they put it. not an issue of penalizing investment income but penalizing labor and those who make their income through wages and they should both be taxed at the same rate. i do, again, fundam and at least...
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to cut taxes. a much easier vote to cast for republicans as well as some democrats. as for the president, is he nhe scheduled to leave his family tonight, come back to washington tomorrow morning, in the hopes of helping his fellow democrats try to find enough republicans to pass his plan. but of course this goes without saying that was a plan that most if not all republicans campaigned very strongly against. >> the most likely scenario is actually did go off the cliff now. ryan liza is our correspondent from washington. you look at this and we're hearing echos of the past. the republican speaker from the house of representatives said, and i have it here somewhere, i don't want to be critical of john, meaning john boehner, but if you don't ever bring something to the floor without the votes. so this is what happened last thursday night where he brought this bill to the floor, his plan b, and it went nowhere. was that a major miscalculation for him? >> it was. look, denny was the speakner nea differ
to cut taxes. a much easier vote to cast for republicans as well as some democrats. as for the president, is he nhe scheduled to leave his family tonight, come back to washington tomorrow morning, in the hopes of helping his fellow democrats try to find enough republicans to pass his plan. but of course this goes without saying that was a plan that most if not all republicans campaigned very strongly against. >> the most likely scenario is actually did go off the cliff now. ryan liza is...
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and the estate tax, whether there would be a specific to keep the estate tax from going up. now, as we know, reid and mcconnell are going to work out an agreement. the next element of this is that the president said if senators reid and mcconnell cannot come to a deal, the president did ask that republicans allow his alternate proposal come to a vote, the $250,000 measure. because the white house believes and democrats broadly believe that that could pass in both the house and the senate, candy. >> so jessica yellin is watching this from the white house as we await the president. i want to give you a couple of statements that we got up on capitol hill. these from senator reid and senator mcconnell, the respectively majority and minority leaders in the senate. the two men who are going to be talking over the next 24 hours to try to fix this fiscal cliff thing. here's what they had to say. >> we had a long meeting in the white house it was very constructive. i hope that the next 24 hours will be very instructive with what we're able to accomplish. >> was there discussion of a
and the estate tax, whether there would be a specific to keep the estate tax from going up. now, as we know, reid and mcconnell are going to work out an agreement. the next element of this is that the president said if senators reid and mcconnell cannot come to a deal, the president did ask that republicans allow his alternate proposal come to a vote, the $250,000 measure. because the white house believes and democrats broadly believe that that could pass in both the house and the senate,...
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she confirmed the unwanted prospects. >> reporter: taxes on every american will go up. we will also see the payroll tax cut end. so that's another thing that we'll wind up paying. don't forget, there's two million people now that are getting an extension on unemployment benefits. that will end, as well. a little less money in everybody's pockets. >> yeah. and stock markets, certainly we were watching the market yesterday. they've taken a dive. why is that? what is the connection, and do you see this continuing? >> reporter: the consumer basically accounts for about 2/3 of this overall economy. so consumer spending is critical to having a healthy economy. so if the consumer is being taxed more, doesn't have as much money to spend, the expectation is the consumer will pull back. you've also got something else going on, that's there's a lot of entertainment in the see suite. ceos say -- the c suite. ceos saying i'm not hiring now. that's having an effect. finally, investors don't like the idea that washington can't quite get it together. they want to see lawmakers be able
she confirmed the unwanted prospects. >> reporter: taxes on every american will go up. we will also see the payroll tax cut end. so that's another thing that we'll wind up paying. don't forget, there's two million people now that are getting an extension on unemployment benefits. that will end, as well. a little less money in everybody's pockets. >> yeah. and stock markets, certainly we were watching the market yesterday. they've taken a dive. why is that? what is the connection,...
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higher taxes. lawmakers and president obama have left washington for christmas with no deal on tax cuts and spending cuts. tax hikes and spending cuts that could go in effect the first of the year. cnn's brianna keilar is live in hawaii where the president is spending christmas holiday. brianna, aloha. where do we go from here? >> reporter: aloha to you, miguel. this will be a working christmas vacation for president obama. the senate will reconvene december 27th, so after christmas. and up until that time, it's up to president obama to try to work out a deal with the senate majority leader, harry reed, as well as the senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell to avert tax hikes going into effect at the new year. the president wants them for those making $250,000 or less to remain in effect and to go up beyond there. but he'll need to work out something presumably that would be able to pass the senate. and then presumably the house with some democratic support, as well as republican support. and liste
higher taxes. lawmakers and president obama have left washington for christmas with no deal on tax cuts and spending cuts. tax hikes and spending cuts that could go in effect the first of the year. cnn's brianna keilar is live in hawaii where the president is spending christmas holiday. brianna, aloha. where do we go from here? >> reporter: aloha to you, miguel. this will be a working christmas vacation for president obama. the senate will reconvene december 27th, so after christmas. and...
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raising taxes for everybody making more than $250,000 a year and adding a few other tax-related items in there. maybe spending but it's unclear. the question is whether or not they can put all that together in a way to get enough republican votes in order to pass the senate and then would have to have enough votes to pass the house as well. whether they can do that in the next few days is an open question. >> just procedurally too, that takes time. and congress notoriously moves slowly. one wall street economist suggested, and this caught my attention, bun ji jump off the cliff. meaning we'll bounce back afterwards meaning once the tax hikes goes into effect congress will have no choice. they will have to introduce a bill that everyone can agree on. what's your take on that. what are your congressional sources saying to you privately? >> they are saying the betting money is on that right noug. it's an interesting way to put it. the whole concept of taking a vote in the next five days on anything would effectively would be to raise taxes. each of the senators would be taking a vote tha
raising taxes for everybody making more than $250,000 a year and adding a few other tax-related items in there. maybe spending but it's unclear. the question is whether or not they can put all that together in a way to get enough republican votes in order to pass the senate and then would have to have enough votes to pass the house as well. whether they can do that in the next few days is an open question. >> just procedurally too, that takes time. and congress notoriously moves slowly....
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the tax rate. no matter what it is on the rich or not on the rich will not solve the big huge impending doom. >> that's right exactly right. you said it. the latest proposal from the president, of course, did not have the kind of long and short-term and mid term spending reform that we need. the federal government right now is it as we all know, spending more than a trillion dollars year upon year since the president took office, more than a trillion over budget year upon year. that has to stop. >> and you are putting faith in harry reid to come back with some proposal that will meet that in the next six days? where are you? >>ist a good question. senator reid without the past two years has not worked in -- in any very productive way with the house majority. and we do in the house represent the american people, at least as much as the senate majority does and we do need to work together and you are right. we have had roadblocks and obstructions and ignoring the bills we sent over time and time agai
the tax rate. no matter what it is on the rich or not on the rich will not solve the big huge impending doom. >> that's right exactly right. you said it. the latest proposal from the president, of course, did not have the kind of long and short-term and mid term spending reform that we need. the federal government right now is it as we all know, spending more than a trillion dollars year upon year since the president took office, more than a trillion over budget year upon year. that has...
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, voting for anything that can be perceived as a tax increase. well, what the president is talking about even scaled down version is definitely raising taxes. and raising taxes on people making $250,000 or more, at least households, so that's going to be difficult to do. that's why reality check here, talking to democrats and republicans, it seems as though they're going through the motions, that they're going to talk about talking when they get back and get back from the holiday and at this point both sides are saying that they are pretty confident we're going it on go over the fiscal cliff. >> and the president i thought had a weird moment, jessica, in his remarks where he started talking about everyone should have egg nog and christmas cookies and then think about what they're going to do before they think about coming back to doing some kind of deal before we go over that cliff. we're talking about ten days there. do you really think there is time for all of that? >> there is time to get a deal done. there is always time in washington because
, voting for anything that can be perceived as a tax increase. well, what the president is talking about even scaled down version is definitely raising taxes. and raising taxes on people making $250,000 or more, at least households, so that's going to be difficult to do. that's why reality check here, talking to democrats and republicans, it seems as though they're going through the motions, that they're going to talk about talking when they get back and get back from the holiday and at this...
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that plan would block tax hikes for those earning $250,000. it would extend unemployment benefits to 2 million americans and put off spending cuts until the new year brings a new congress. our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats especially who i'm talking to in the senate which is probably where this will originate, the reality is that democrats don't hold a very big majority. her going to need to have a handful of republicans to cross party lines and vote with them on the whole concept of raising any taxes. especially what the president wants which is something that is raising taxes on all americans making more than $250,000. that's the senate. never mind the house, which of course, made clear to the house speaker that they won't even go for something that's a million dollars or more when it
that plan would block tax hikes for those earning $250,000. it would extend unemployment benefits to 2 million americans and put off spending cuts until the new year brings a new congress. our expert on all matters relating to the fiscal cliff is dana bash. she joins me now from washington. dana, great to see you again. tell me does even a band-aid approach work? >> it's going to be tough. this is all math. but it really has to do with the math with regard to votes. and democrats...